tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post5422439371151894839..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: Mimimalism XIII: The Vicarious Objectification of Language - Grenier's VOLUMECurtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-22797199064733591402011-06-30T10:21:30.348-07:002011-06-30T10:21:30.348-07:00J:
I can't post the racial stuff.
It doesn...J:<br /><br />I can't post the racial stuff. <br /><br />It doesn't offend me much, but I hesitate to entertain the broaching of topics that seem gratuitously racist, especially when they have nothing whatever to do with the content of the blog. <br /><br />If you want to address this issue, by all means do so on your own site, or contact me offline, and I'll respond. But I insist that discussions here stay on topic. <br /><br />Note: I'm not much interested in race as a topic for discussion. <br /><br />Be cool, bro'.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-41107570419435819352011-06-30T09:44:44.208-07:002011-06-30T09:44:44.208-07:00I keep my copies of max muller's trans of the...I keep my copies of max muller's trans of the upanisads<br />right next to Pound's The Confusion Odes<br />which on the other side is Parthasarathi's<br /><br />Journey To Aloneness<br />(all the commentaries that one could EVER desire on the<br /> KAIVALYA UPANISAD<br /><br />and<br />as for schmaltz a necessary ingredient to a DECENT chopped liver!<br /><br /> goys use mayonnaise and beef livers<br />rather than chicken livers & (chicken) schmaltz<br /><br />and<br /><br />as for the OT/NT ? just political tools/fictions to control the Herdspdwxm of Sheep!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-51776543331729771072011-06-30T09:10:32.435-07:002011-06-30T09:10:32.435-07:00the old testament's the problem, Bakerberg.
t...the old testament's the problem, Bakerberg.<br /><br />the book of lies, locust recipes, disease, with a bit of schmaltz <br /><br />Start with like Plato, not "JHVH". Or Vedas, in another tradition... Which is to say, start over.<br /><br /><br />Pound the poet authentic at least realized that.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-30480620005669167202011-06-30T08:07:54.183-07:002011-06-30T08:07:54.183-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-17493046909410370892011-06-30T07:41:25.665-07:002011-06-30T07:41:25.665-07:00zounds like a legitimate plan...
we can build s...zounds like a legitimate plan...<br /><br />we can build san-castles<br />& pretend <br /><br />"nuts & apples"<br /><br />heck<br /><br />nuts and apples is what got Adam/Eve into thoze<br />itsy-bitsy fig leafs<br /><br /> and made sinners out of all our Poets<br /><br />especially the gal Poets<br /><br /><br />now,<br /><br />those Greenier "things" you talking about those red &green &yellow lines across the page?<br /><br />if so..... YAWN !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-6264081364477421642011-06-30T07:33:22.355-07:002011-06-30T07:33:22.355-07:00I don't know about the toga, but I'll meet...I don't know about the toga, but I'll meet you at the beach. You bring the beer, I'll bring the nuts and apples. We can meditate until the sun sets.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-59860498811950517722011-06-30T07:24:25.267-07:002011-06-30T07:24:25.267-07:00SEE EFF
I don't deny anything be it aural o...SEE EFF<br /><br />I don't deny anything be it aural or<br />otherwise<br /><br />&<br /> here is a just-now-done "window" piece...<br /><br />little bird<br />in the honey-suckle<br />bush just out-side<br />my window<br /><br /><br />little bird<br />all a-flutter<br /><br />I am sure that She<br />is up to no good<br /><br /><br />pee est<br /><br />I am definitely working on being/becoming more<br /><br />"sophisticated" maybe get a toga, put stones in my mouth &<br />rail-at-the ocean<br /><br /><br />&<br />oogle the "birds" on the beachEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-80598700897579260502011-06-30T06:59:56.840-07:002011-06-30T06:59:56.840-07:00Ed:
Do you deny the aural qualities of words?
Ar...Ed:<br /><br />Do you deny the aural qualities of words?<br /><br />Are words just windows? <br /><br />I would expect you to be much more sophisticated in your reaction.<br /><br />Perhaps if Cid Corman had been more sensitive to language at this level, his work would carry more meaning. <br /><br />Snyder's reading at Berkeley was completely predictable. He's a wry old academic full of ironies and stray wisdoms. I think he's exactly where he's always wanted to be--the old sage imparting advice.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-89404208191237071772011-06-30T06:52:33.036-07:002011-06-30T06:52:33.036-07:00Conrad:
You've got Grenier wrong.
His work e...Conrad:<br /><br />You've got Grenier wrong.<br /><br />His work evolved into the S C R A W L poems, which are drawn poems which almost can't be "read" in the traditional sense. He never gave up literal language, and never advocated the expression of "pure sound" at any point. I think his presentation of individual words, though, is intended to explore their interior qualities--and sound is certainly one aspect of that--but sound is never "purely" just sound in any linguistic setting--it always refers to some (previous) association we have about it. Our experience of language provides a set of associations from known referents, and that can serve as the basis for variations (subsets) derived from the bank or pool of associations each of us has. I think that's what Coolidge's work does--uses those associations with new recombinants/combinations to create new linguistic matter.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-12480738730312785102011-06-30T04:21:12.045-07:002011-06-30T04:21:12.045-07:00'The writing of Pound, Ezra itself features so...'The writing of Pound, Ezra itself features some charming...wordplay at times but..it's mostly surface (apart from some Dantean aspects..but thats another matter).'<br /><br />My God. I rarely come across a combination of words so badly and affectedly put together. I don't mean only syntactically--the content too. <br /><br /><br />For the good of the world you should go find another activity--ANY activity--rather than continue to post such sentences (which you do with shocking frequency).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-662177834071821272011-06-29T18:17:05.334-07:002011-06-29T18:17:05.334-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-41398128252943175262011-06-29T14:33:35.314-07:002011-06-29T14:33:35.314-07:00Curtis,
Grenier's emphasis on the pure materi...Curtis,<br /><br />Grenier's emphasis on the pure materiality of sound, as if sound alone created meaning and not the 'word', reminds me a lot of Rene Ghils's theory of the "verbal instrument" (from his work "Traite du Verbe"), by which he tried to compose what he called "scientific poems": i.e. words as living, evolving organisms or what you call "independent segments of language" . It was probably the first time science was literally put to literary purposes in this way.Conrad DiDiodatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18312831623791642286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-13363818032305720992011-06-29T11:29:57.219-07:002011-06-29T11:29:57.219-07:00Music is organized sound, but language is organize...<i> Music is organized sound, but language is organized music and defined meaning conjoined.</i><br /><br />OK. But that's another beef some of us might have wit' language ahhtistes: they're not outdoing Bach, Beethoven, or Coltrane for that matter. As mere sound, purged of content, and dare we say Reason....it just doesn't do that much. Music.... is the supreme Ahht. Usually. And IMHE quite more challenging than what poetic-hipsters attempt. About anyone at Cafe Perdido can fill a few pages with expressions. But have them sit down and play Ludwg Van's...Pathetique. Few will manage that (tho granted, some might argue...that shows the bourgeois nature of classical music, etc. So be it)Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-73081499434364732872011-06-29T10:50:49.358-07:002011-06-29T10:50:49.358-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-15121119204505348242011-06-29T10:38:04.069-07:002011-06-29T10:38:04.069-07:00J:
I have no obligation to engage anyone's in...J:<br /><br />I have no obligation to engage anyone's intellectual errors. You're welcome to do so yourself, if you choose, but remember to be pertinent to what's said in the original blog, or what's said in the comment boxes, so you're beef doesn't piggyback my site.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-24665077996512652982011-06-29T10:07:19.950-07:002011-06-29T10:07:19.950-07:00What is beauty and mysterioso in EA Poe (at least...What is beauty and mysterioso in EA Poe (at least at times) is merely technique and chi chi aesthetics for yr modernist heroes, IMHE, Sir F. The writing of Pound, Ezra itself features some charming...wordplay at times but..it's mostly surface (apart from some Dantean aspects..but thats another matter). Nothing really moving or substantial--or soul-full if you will, as say even Wordsworth was moving at times (when not jingling). Modernism--is the Ahht of capitalist hedonism, more or less, purged of any troubling messages (tho, yes one understands that Wordsworthian trad. may have died, like circa WWI). Abstract decorations for corporate offices (and the beats were in that class as well, even tho they might have insisted otherwise. The Kerouac reader, in some posh Bay Area chateau). <br /><br /><br />When are you going to engage Rabbi Olson's intellectual errors, Sir F? Someone has to.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.com