tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post5766072903166480004..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: The Meaning of Silliman's LinksCurtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-53590611050334103302011-04-11T09:55:49.909-07:002011-04-11T09:55:49.909-07:00funny you shld mention De Sade
just now reading ...funny you shld mention De Sade<br /><br /><br />just now reading Shattuck's FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE<br /><br />do 'check out' & into the chapter<br /> The Devine Marquis<br /><br />this ca1780 writer is one of our 20 th century plinths<br /><br /><br />K<br /><br />just ask Bert Camus or Gide or any one of those we now call DADA-ists or Avant Gardes<br /><br />& don't just react to the name (De Sade) <br /><br />keep mind open<br />mouth shut<br />& do some readingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-82932712827701984342011-04-11T08:57:26.515-07:002011-04-11T08:57:26.515-07:00That's not exactly what I had in mind, though ...That's not exactly what I had in mind, though agree with yr opposition to the LangPo school-- they don't really understand what poetry izz. S-man's a programmer for one. His "writing" seems like bad code, like spam from those odd random-generator apps. Did they ever read say...Rilke...or even Shelley/Coleridge...EA Poe... F scott fitzgerald? It's like they assume ... machines have taken over or something. <br /> <br />Im not a big fan of the Burroughs school either though heard the old lizard speak once and it was sort of entertaining. For the supposed dark, nihilistic tripmeister, Burroughs was sort of tame. Celine (not to say...De Sade) quite outscore Burroughs on the Nihilometer, IMHE. Kerouac always impressed mo' than the other beat kitties.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-32533868917892204182011-04-10T17:12:51.952-07:002011-04-10T17:12:51.952-07:00"Then some of us consider PoetryCo 90% bogus ..."Then some of us consider PoetryCo 90% bogus anyway, at least after the WC Williams Hallmark and Beatniks-at-Atascadero people took over."<br /><br />Well said, J!<br /><br />In a documentary on the life of Burroughs entitled "William Burroughs: A Man Within" poet Genesis p-Orridge says: "People who are prepared to risk sacrificing their freedom and their physical safety because of an idea are always dangerous to a society."<br /><br />One of the best definitions of the avant-garde I've seen yet. Sort of makes the present LangPo crowd look rather silly & tame, doesn't it?Conrad DiDiodatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18312831623791642286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-9552117337270597002011-04-10T14:16:57.928-07:002011-04-10T14:16:57.928-07:00S-mans' blog does, or uh did provide some usef...S-mans' blog does, or uh did provide some useful information but others--like Don Barthelme, for one-- did the fragmented-techno whatever jazz far more effectively IMHE. Try reading some of S-man's longer pieces-- headache or nausea soon follows.<br /><br />Then some of us consider PoetryCo 90% bogus anyway, at least after the WC Williams Hallmark and Beatniks-at-Atascadero people took over.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-34533900850163368672011-04-10T11:37:15.732-07:002011-04-10T11:37:15.732-07:00not only 'that' but there are damned few ...not only 'that' but there are damned few people around who now know how to fix a toilet .... and,<br />pretty soon they won't even know how to flush one when it s full of sh't !<br /><br />just had myself a facebook ... 'thing' ... got up to 235 "friends" ...most I've never heard of..<br /><br />I lasted about two weeks first I defriended 108 "friends" people I've NEVER heard from in the last 55 years then I dropped the whole thing...<br /><br /> I'm with you on the "dumbing-down observation" and, even, looking at who is now running our country.. would say that we've digressed even beyond thatEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-27729485073701304652011-04-10T11:15:56.880-07:002011-04-10T11:15:56.880-07:00"I think if you look back on the literary art..."I think if you look back on the literary artifacts of the last 35 years, you probably won't find works which "anticipate" in quite the way Ron's longer "poems" do the specific character of our time."<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />Not 35 years but if you go back probably 80 or 90 you certainly will find the earliest critiques of technology & art, such as in The Frankfurt School, & Benjamin's "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" (just for starters), Russian & Italian Futurism, Dada, Surrealism,Burroughs etc etc. Compared to this rich avant-garde tradition Silliman's just a passing phase.<br /><br />I certainly did applaud Silliman for his blogging advocacy til, of course, the whole comments stream thing, after which I haven't been able to see the guy in quite the same way anymore. Or, more truthfully, I wasn't as prepared to apply to him a growing view among some critics of Internet production (particularly blogging) as another type of exploitive 'global capitalism'.Conrad DiDiodatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18312831623791642286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-15431086691662993942011-04-10T11:07:56.578-07:002011-04-10T11:07:56.578-07:00I think that blogging, as a phenomenon, may be pas...I think that blogging, as a phenomenon, may be passing its initial excitement phase, into a mature phase, in which people look less and less to it for complex, developed ideas, and more as they do with television, as bland entertainment, and "headlines". <br /><br />I think the computer age is contributing to a general dumbing down of the broad populace. While superficially it may seem to bring people together, it actually at the same time separates them. And rather than expanding their sense of the complexity of issues, it may reduce their awareness. Or perhaps it's doing both things at the same time. That's paradoxical. <br /><br />As people become more "sophisticated"* they become dumber. As people become more jaded, they lose curiosity. If everything is available, it's overwhelming.<br /><br />__________<br /><br />*Sophistication can have really negative connotations.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-27392291600233522352011-04-10T10:54:35.799-07:002011-04-10T10:54:35.799-07:00Conrad:
I think if you look back on the literary ...Conrad:<br /><br />I think if you look back on the literary artifacts of the last 35 years, you probably won't find works which "anticipate" in quite the way Ron's longer "poems" do the specific character of our time. <br /><br />I'm less interested in the technical-political effect his blog sets up, than I am in how it is, in effect, another expression of his particular mental predisposition. Can you think of anyone else whose work and blogging seem so united and synergistic? He's clearly a pioneer in this respect, too.<br /><br />This is not simply a compliment, but an analytical take on the possible meaning of his work as a whole. As you should note, I'm by no means a singular supporter of his work (particularly The Alphabet--which I find monotonous and far too formally uniform).Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-26456342652951238672011-04-10T10:41:09.927-07:002011-04-10T10:41:09.927-07:00Curtis,
I almost bought the Silliman as computer ...Curtis,<br /><br />I almost bought the Silliman as computer visionary idea except that he's killed the comments stream. Remember? All links lead only to Ron Silliman in an unabashed attempt to keep his LangPo brand advertised everywhere. No room for the competition there.<br /><br />I'll even go so far as to make a case a case for Silliman as the new 'culture capitalist' working his expertise in software marketing to his own advantage. How often does he write in his own weblog anymore? It's really a clearing house for poetry merchandise with the Silliman seal of approval.To suggest Silliman is the quintessential Internet poet is ridiculous.<br /><br />Curtis, read Geert Lovink's "Zero Comments: Blogging and Critical Internet Culture", and I think you'll see Silliman as the post-avant turned media guru he really is. It's something I'm seeing in Canada among the so-called "Tish" radicals: funny how these guys have recently gone to digital advertising.<br /><br />Autre temps, autre moeurs!Conrad DiDiodatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18312831623791642286noreply@blogger.com