tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post6353682510470602757..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: What If Germany Had Gotten The Bomb First ?Curtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-47909114056978019232011-07-14T20:42:25.448-07:002011-07-14T20:42:25.448-07:00Anon:
"At least like read the wiki (or maybe...Anon:<br /><br />"At least like read the wiki (or maybe Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow): Heisenberg was working on atomic research, "heavy water" etc. Some claim Heis. and nazi scientists may have squelched the research because they feared Hitler with an a-bomb--that, or they didn't quite develop the technology."<br /><br />I don't buy that. German scientists who stayed had a choice to make. Either they worked for their country, or they didn't. Generally scientists are willing to work for anyone who'll fund their research. Even some Jews worked for Hitler--if you can believe it. The problem was that the Nazis tended to distrust academics (surprise). As the tide of the war turned, there was less resource to devote to pure, or applied, research, and by the end, it had been all but abandoned. <br /> <br />"V2s were too late anyway, as were the jets at the end of the war."<br /><br />My point exactly. If Germany hadn't been in such a big hurry to invade Russia--and had, instead, finished off England, they'd have had the means to pursue their technical aims, as well as dealing with the Soviet Union. Hitler's impatience again.<br /><br />"The history mavens also don't tell us that many germans defected to USSR and helped with early soviet space/missile development."<br /><br />I said nothing about this. When Russia moved into Germany, they rounded up all the technical heads they could find, and shipped them home to work on their own bomb and rocket technology. <br /><br />"You're not quite correct on Russia either--they still have nuke firepower, a bit more than US does (though US navy outrates them)."<br /><br />Not quite correct about what? I said nothing about Russian nuclear power. Through the 1950's and 1960's, the Soviets out-produced the West in terms of missiles and warheads. At the height of the Cold War, both sides had enough fire power to erase their opponents many times over. This became a joke. <br /><br />One nuclear bomb would be enough to flatten any major metropolis on earth. You wouldn't need five, or twenty. Maybe the Russians didn't get it. <br /><br />Today, the main problem is the huge stockpiles of nuclear weaponry and waste, of which the Russians have shown themselves to to irresponsible stewards.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-58962716307391964922011-07-14T18:27:50.911-07:002011-07-14T18:27:50.911-07:00I read The Man In The High Castle fifteen years ag...I read The Man In The High Castle fifteen years ago on Tarawa Atoll in Kiribati. The New Zealand High Commission had a snazzy little public library there that made the equatorial sun far more bearable. <br /><br />Dick's world had everything east of the Rockies occupied by Nazi Germany and the entire west coast under the sway of Japan and eastern culture. The counterpart of the Cold War was between Germany and Japan. I also read Mishima's Temple of the Golden Pavillion while I was there.<br /><br />Wikipedia says BBC has a four part series in production of Dick's novel directed by Ridley Scott.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05061304265345986242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-32804771932603362742011-07-14T17:59:37.666-07:002011-07-14T17:59:37.666-07:00At least like read the wiki (or maybe Pynchon'...At least like read the wiki (or maybe Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow): Heisenberg was working on atomic research, "heavy water" etc. Some claim Heis. and nazi scientists may have squelched the research because they feared Hitler with an a-bomb--that, or they didn't quite develop the technology. V2s were too late anyway, as were the jets at the end of the war. The history mavens also don't tell us that many germans defected to USSR and helped with early soviet space/missile development. <br /><br />You're not quite correct on Russia either--they still have nuke firepower, a bit more than US does (though US navy outrates them).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-47397450981408691452011-07-14T17:10:18.434-07:002011-07-14T17:10:18.434-07:00Anon:
Try to think in terms of "other" ...Anon:<br /><br />Try to think in terms of "other" what-ifs. <br /><br />I think our main concern is economic, in that China is eating our lunch, and not only that. They've purchased our debt, and taken over de-facto control of several of our major corporations (like Wal-Mart), so our relationship with them is "too big to fail." <br /><br />Well, if you're fighting an economic (or "trade"-) war, you should take off the gloves and use the same weapons they're using. I.e., tariffs, etc. Don't tell me about free trade until (or unless) you're willing to be ruled by Peking. They smile a lot, but when they frown. . .that's when you know you're on the right track.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-15748333461770470272011-07-14T16:49:21.119-07:002011-07-14T16:49:21.119-07:00that was the other anonymous
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as for China?...that was the other anonymous<br />not me<br /><br />as for China? now our chief security person is IMPLYING<br />that China &/or Russia has, for 30 + months been cyber hacking and have stolen our plans for that new fighter and many other :"strategic" ... things..<br /><br />maybe it's time to bomb Peking? before they get weapons beyond mass destruction ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-91057160120781036692011-07-14T15:36:36.191-07:002011-07-14T15:36:36.191-07:00I'm not sure I understand your line of reasoni...I'm not sure I understand your line of reasoning.<br /><br />I didn't have a dog in that fight. <br /><br />Born in 1947, but I doubt my life would ever have been at risk. <br /><br />Would America have capitulated to the Germans? Hard to imagine that happening. Still...<br /><br />My guess is that Hitler wouldn't have lasted much longer, even with military success. In order for the alternate scenario to have taken place, he'd have had to be a different man than he was.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-70226565821685547152011-07-14T14:09:32.679-07:002011-07-14T14:09:32.679-07:00you wouldn't be here at leastyou wouldn't be here at leastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com