tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post992095953965264554..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: Minimalism as the Ultimate Conceit (Part 1)Curtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-60027810837297774302009-02-26T15:30:00.000-08:002009-02-26T15:30:00.000-08:00yesyesSteven Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-28591066118760119432009-02-26T10:28:00.000-08:002009-02-26T10:28:00.000-08:00Mark:So am I.Mark:<BR/><BR/>So am I.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-39312462787022975272009-02-26T10:22:00.000-08:002009-02-26T10:22:00.000-08:00I'm very much looking forward to the coming posts....I'm very much looking forward to the coming posts.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03785655101810675450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-42736792216895438042009-02-26T00:23:00.000-08:002009-02-26T00:23:00.000-08:00I saw no one as a rival. I was totally isolated. ...I saw no one as a rival. I was totally isolated. I was not part of any "scene." <BR/><BR/>Saroyan was very visible at that time (say, 1965-1975) as the author of some very high profile minimalist works published, specifically, in two Random House editions. <BR/><BR/>I was very aware of Creeley's work (Pieces) and Robert Grenier's early manuscripts for A Day At The Beach. Both were investigating minimal formality intensively at that time.<BR/><BR/>I hope to delve more into the subject on subsequent posts.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-8705483324388972132009-02-25T14:56:00.000-08:002009-02-25T14:56:00.000-08:00I would be especially interested in knowing why th...I would be especially interested in knowing why there was such a groundswell of minimalism at the time, and who and what do you think succeeded in that milieu, and on what basis.<BR/><BR/>Could you give us some poems by Fagin, and show what you think he was doing.<BR/><BR/>Also, same with Saroyan, and yourself?<BR/><BR/>Was there a theoretical underpinning to this group?<BR/><BR/>Were you moved by the art world, especially the realm of sculpture, such as Carl Andre's work?<BR/><BR/>did that give you a push of some kind, or did you see them as rivals?Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-27918543157010100372009-02-23T17:23:00.000-08:002009-02-23T17:23:00.000-08:00Orlovsky was totally off the wall, I admit. I kne...Orlovsky was totally off the wall, I admit. <BR/><BR/>I knew Kenward fairly well at one point. We still write letters.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-65298585933764056852009-02-23T14:36:00.000-08:002009-02-23T14:36:00.000-08:00Kirby:Fagin published my short collection Ready as...Kirby:<BR/><BR/>Fagin published my short collection Ready as an Adventures in Poetry original back in the 1970's. We only met very briefly once, in Berkeley, many years ago, though we have exchanged e.mails about a year ago (I rarely get to the East Coast). Otherwise I have no "relationship" to him. I liked his work back in the day, but he's published so little, it's hard to know what to say about it at this point.<BR/><BR/>I got to know Aram a little bit back in the 1970's. I offered to publish a pamphlet of his, and we got pretty far along on the project, when he decided that his wife should design the cover; I disagreed, and eventually halted the project. I saw Aram twice in Santa Monica at the book fair there, and he was friendly and cheerful. I did a review of his book Minimal Poems for Jacket online magazine. He approved. <BR/><BR/>I only saw Elmslie read once. He's obviously a brilliant innovator, but I quickly become impatient with his method and content. He's like the flip-side of Brainard: Elegant, hip, pretentious, erudite, extravagant, wordy, etc. He was a bit older than his de facto "contemporaries" in the 1960's and 1970's. <BR/><BR/>Orlovsky isn't someone whose opinions I would put much reliance on.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-53755384628562041292009-02-23T11:20:00.000-08:002009-02-23T11:20:00.000-08:00I'd like to know about your relationship to Larry ...I'd like to know about your relationship to Larry Fagin, Aram Saroyan, and minimalist sculpture of the time, such as the sculpture of Carl Andre, and the paintings of Ellsworth Kelly.<BR/><BR/>While you're at it, tell me what you think of the more rococo musings of Kenward Elmslie (I just think he belongs in the same post with Ellsworth Kelly).<BR/><BR/>If American poetry in the NAM poetry scheme of things traces itself back to Whitman, where does minimalist poetry go back to?<BR/><BR/>I remember that Orlovsky used to say about Fagin that he had a stick up his ass.<BR/><BR/>Does minimalism have such a stick, or such a schtick?Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.com