tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post3488884167204772825..comments2024-02-11T12:24:26.294-08:00Comments on The Compass Rose: Larry Eigner's Masterpiece - A Post-Modernist MonumentCurtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-40407237030286072892009-05-07T17:50:00.000-07:002009-05-07T17:50:00.000-07:00over there on another site is something about Leve...over there on another site is something about Levertov<br /><br />what a crock of shit!<br /><br />etcsEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-46827583378412454222009-05-07T17:18:00.000-07:002009-05-07T17:18:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-8220414265236115512009-05-07T17:13:00.000-07:002009-05-07T17:13:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-77151283413510847892009-05-07T16:56:00.000-07:002009-05-07T16:56:00.000-07:00Curtis,
I'm frustrated. This could be a great blo...Curtis,<br /><br />I'm frustrated. This could be a great blog topic. If you want to read some of the prejudices people with cerebral palsy have had, you should read my blog saintelizabethstreet@blogspot.com<br /><br />Georgie,<br /><br />Who are you? Are you a poet? Why do you want to argue? Look, I am disabled, I work with people with disabilities, I'm involved in activism, I've written journals. If we want to be called people with disabilities or people who use wheelchairs, what EXACTLY is your problem with that? It's not your experience. You do not know that prejudice. So, why do you want to argue about it?<br /><br />Are you prejudice or just like to argue.Jennifer Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931457867406555423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-89037377297910311852009-05-07T16:55:00.000-07:002009-05-07T16:55:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-27640660131427843902009-05-07T16:07:00.000-07:002009-05-07T16:07:00.000-07:00why put things (words) in quotes?
ever seen any b...why put things (words) in quotes?<br /><br />ever seen any body hanging at the end of a rope? rope around a tree branch hanging from a former person!<br />I have twice. both dead men.... color was purple!<br /><br />and bodis both swollen! here around D.C.<br /><br />etc.Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-35379836848797106512009-05-07T15:51:00.000-07:002009-05-07T15:51:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-90935212754346912042009-05-07T15:18:00.000-07:002009-05-07T15:18:00.000-07:00Curtis,
I had no idea about your son. I am super ...Curtis,<br /><br />I had no idea about your son. I am super sorry. <br /><br />I wrote a bitchy post on Ron's blog earlier in the day. I take that back now too. <br /><br />Yes, people with disabilities have been given a shit ride. As woman with a disability with I have had to fight tooth and nail for everything I have and experience daily prejudice. <br /><br />Here's my bone to pick with language. We've changed language in regard to race, gender, and religion. Disability is the only area where people still feel it perfectly socially acceptable to use disempowering language. As poets, language is everything. Why not explore it's deeper meaning.<br /><br />Yes, we can discuss Eigner's poetry, but if we want to do that, let's not mention his disability at all. If we do, we have to explore it in a full way.<br /><br />Yes, Eigner never 'wrote' about his disability, but his breathe, his vision were completely tied to his poetics. The line is formed by his breath. The images are formed by his intense looking. If you list to him on UPenn, he brings some of this stuff up.Jennifer Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931457867406555423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-3337580498566878652009-05-07T14:15:00.000-07:002009-05-07T14:15:00.000-07:00To correct what I said above:
Instead of "a lot o...To correct what I said above:<br /><br />Instead of "a lot of the marginalization that the disabled feel is the result of ignorance, fear of deformity (and ultimately one's own mortality), and anxiety (it could happen to you!)"<br /><br />I should have said "a lot of the marginalization that the disabled feel is the result of the ignorance, fear of deformity (and ultimately one's own mortality), and anxiety (it could happen to you!) of others."Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-37867229392543417982009-05-07T13:59:00.000-07:002009-05-07T13:59:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-91882906773387333522009-05-07T13:33:00.000-07:002009-05-07T13:33:00.000-07:00I think a lot of the marginalization that the disa...I think a lot of the marginalization that the disabled feel is the result of ignorance, fear of deformity (and ultimately one's own mortality), and anxiety (it could happen to you!). <br /><br />Language is weird. Perhaps a certain kind of defensiveness settles in to people thus afflicted, so that traditional names and descriptives begin to seem offensive and presumptuous, even when they're not being used in a deliberately disrespectful or unkind way. <br /><br />Maybe we should have a blog discussion about this--?Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-9760574580021052922009-05-07T13:06:00.000-07:002009-05-07T13:06:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-33591576632387201312009-05-07T12:14:00.000-07:002009-05-07T12:14:00.000-07:00Dogfish Head ok! I drink it whenever I go down in...Dogfish Head ok! I drink it whenever I go down into Dog Town<br /> I like the MAXINMUS strentgh..<br /><br />and<br /><br />it took me 68 years to "find my own voice" now I should c.h.a.n.g.e?<br /><br />ever get to the D.C. area maybe to do some reading at the Lieberry of Con-gress drop in<br /><br />bring a six pack<br /><br /><br />het I tremeber that there was a magazine called sixpack!<br /><br />wait I got a copy over there in my "rare, anti-qwareian" book section:<br /><br />YEAH! FAR OUT! I got sixpack number six winter 1973/74 $2.00<br /><br />in this issue:<br /><br />TedBerriganWilliamBurroughsBobCobbingClaytonEshlemanAllenFisherAllenGinsbergBruceMcCellandRobertKellyPierreJorisLindyHoughJackHirshmanJohnGiornoJacksonMac LowEricMottramAliceNotleyTom PicardWilliamPrescottJeromeRothenberg<br /><br />last poem in book/issue is J Rothenberg's poem to Rabbi Snyder (Gary)<br /><br />this mag came out of London and<br /><br />"FORTHCOMING: an issue dedicated to work by and about Paul Blackburn."<br /><br />well <br />enough about UHAUL<br />let's talk about me!<br /><br />DawgFish Head? am out the doorEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-5549226554632137252009-05-07T11:44:00.000-07:002009-05-07T11:44:00.000-07:00Curtis might just consider "good beer" an oxymoron...Curtis might just consider "good beer" an oxymoron, but a good beer's sounding good to me right now. <br /><br />Try some Dogfish Head, made down near where I grew up in lower Delaware. Excellent brews.<br /><br />Ed, if you're trying to disguise yourself you've got to change your voice. <br /><br />I didn't even have to think abt whether anon was you or not.eddie watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339600880006987180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-12240738396392482832009-05-07T09:39:00.000-07:002009-05-07T09:39:00.000-07:00no or noh play on Ronnie's Age of Huts I have y...no or noh play on Ronnie's Age of Huts I have yet to read a single<br />thing of his ever.<br /><br />"Huh" comes from my standard 1940's 50's reply to questons asked of me..<br /><br />like my dad frequentl asked:<br /><br />"what makes you think<br />that<br />you're so smart?"<br /><br />my brilliant reply which was the equal of his non-meaningful ? to me alsways was<br /><br />"Huh?"<br /><br />hey... how could you (or anyboddhi else tell that "Anonymous" is / was me? Huh? <br /><br /> teh spelling? the contextualIzationing?<br /><br />the angry reactionary swagger of the mere rhythms of the ebb and flow of<br />automobile/bicycle movement?<br /><br />I used to bike 100-120 miles a week when training this was several years after my heart attack (I got healthy running, biking, swimming) when I was training for triathlon<br /><br /><br />was coming down Sligo Creek Parkway onece whe a cop-in-his-car sireened and pulled me over...<br /><br />the speed limit was 25 mph <br /><br />he said:<br /><br />"sir: do you re'lize you were doing 2 miles OVER the speed limit?"<br /><br />I replied "Huh? my little computer says 19!"<br /><br />ohhhh I forgot the point.... something about the hills and biking in SF?<br /><br />this is Thursday... tomorrow I can buy some "good" beer..Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-57354820976918828752009-05-07T09:06:00.000-07:002009-05-07T09:06:00.000-07:00Ed
Age of Huh? Ha!
A play on Silliman's Age of H...Ed<br /><br />Age of Huh? Ha!<br /><br />A play on Silliman's Age of Huts? hehe<br /><br />All hail silliness and Pan-fried gigglecakes with an underside of seriousness.eddie watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339600880006987180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-720564784197697902009-05-07T08:45:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:45:00.000-07:00eddie w.....
damn few of "us"left
who who "owl-...eddie w.....<br /><br /><br />damn few of "us"left<br />who who "owl-like"<br /><br />w eyes and everything else<br />wide opened<br /><br />to<br /><br />the humor-esqe of it all..<br /><br />I ALL WAYS thought Larry was is continues to be <br />a very phunny guy well not "funnie ha-ha" but that too.<br /><br />let us now embrace a new cause/ banner...<br /><br />The Age of Huh?<br /><br /><br />and<br /><br />not to form another dogmatic clubbie religiously fur-vent<br /><br />wave of swamp=fever ( our next pan-demonic) rather:<br /><br />all hail Peter Pan<br /><br /><br />or<br /><br />just Pan.<br /><br /><br /><br />(if this makes any sense to y'all your as crazy as moi...<br /><br />or should that be "the 'c' word" ?<br /><br /><br />etc<br /><br />an<br /><br />my maikosoft web-site folks got it "down" so<br /><br />you'll have to wait to "discover" my real "me"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-47958527671558101802009-05-07T08:16:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:16:00.000-07:00well I was in SF/Berkeley/Richmond in the 60's a...well I was in SF/Berkeley/Richmond in the 60's and 70's..<br /><br />don't recall anything ((street/curb-wise or other wise there (then) as being "wheel-chair friendly"<br /><br /><br />especially those hills!<br /><br />however.... plenty of Acapulco Gold for The Humours and the pain in mind and body.<br /><br />who's' "the other guy"?<br /><br />a friend many years ago wrote:<br /><br />life -<br />I'm in it<br />for the poetryEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-91625030262290560852009-05-07T08:03:00.001-07:002009-05-07T08:03:00.001-07:00I knew Larry briefly when he lived in Berkeley, pu...I knew Larry briefly when he lived in Berkeley, published a pamphlet of his poems, and am the co-editor, with Robert Grenier, of his Collected Poems, due this Fall from Stanford University Press. <br /><br />I don't know how anyone could deduce that I don't have much insight into disability, but I assure you it was not my intention to underestimate the challenges it presents. <br /><br />There is a whole book to be written by someone about the subject, and Michael Davidson has written it! I haven't seen it yet, but expect to in due course. <br /><br />Our task with the poems is not to make an issue out of his limitation, which he never did, but to present the work as he wrote it.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-77472444336671276212009-05-07T08:03:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:03:00.000-07:00Jennifer, I really don't see where I made a mean c...Jennifer, I really don't see where I made a mean comment. I didn't intend anything mean. Maybe snippy, but not mean.<br /><br />I might've been a tad annoyed at the "too academic" comment because I don't think anything I said could be construed as academic.<br /><br />Please don't lump me in with Kirby and his poetry killing comments.<br /><br />My last comment was meant to be addressed to the blog in general, and was only intended to be (slightly) humorous.eddie watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339600880006987180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-25461321111235024752009-05-07T07:57:00.000-07:002009-05-07T07:57:00.000-07:00Let's talk about Larry.
The subject of Larry's po...Let's talk about Larry.<br /><br />The subject of Larry's poetry was never disability. <br /><br />I read his work in the 1960's, not realizing or knowing that he was disabled in any way, I just loved the work.<br /><br />My late son was disabled from age 4, so I have a background in this stuff.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-6316782503809454892009-05-07T06:12:00.000-07:002009-05-07T06:12:00.000-07:00Curtis,
I just reread your stuff and realize that...Curtis,<br /><br />I just reread your stuff and realize that I may have overreacted. You just seem to be discussing Eigner's disability without much insight into what the disability actually means or is. I'm sorry if I reacted too strongly.<br /><br />Eddie and that other guy's comments just seem bizarre and mean. Is that their game?Jennifer Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931457867406555423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-13145342022014679702009-05-07T05:43:00.000-07:002009-05-07T05:43:00.000-07:00Not surprisingly, Curtis is the only one who addre...Not surprisingly, Curtis is the only one who addressed my issues at all. If you guys are real thinkers, I would be happy to have a discussion with you. If you can only write things like, 'That's fucking stupid.' That's not my scene.<br /><br />For the record, I have cerebral palsy and teach people who were as handicapped as Eigner.<br /><br />Curtis, as far as your curb cut issue. I see your point, but it's a chicken or egg issue. As you may or may not know Eigner spent the second half of his life in Berkley. Why? HMMM. That is because Berkley is the most wheelchair accessible place in America. If you go there, you will see a much higher population of people with disabilities than anywhere else. So, without those 'stupid' curb cuts this never would have been started.<br /><br />You would say 'using a wheelchair.' Sure, it's PC and I hate PC stuff, but why not help empower people. <br /><br />I am sorry I was snippy about 'academia.' I am a poet who has decided, for whatever reason, not to engage in or learn the academic bullshit lingo. I think it kills poetry and excludes people. Yes, I am a so-called professor, but only of first-year composition.Jennifer Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931457867406555423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-3211886031701896162009-05-06T22:21:00.000-07:002009-05-06T22:21:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.0000000https://www.blogger.com/profile/14767771887014774485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-88517416121935501962009-05-06T22:10:00.000-07:002009-05-06T22:10:00.000-07:00Maybe it's just PC speech for the disabled?
In ou...Maybe it's just PC speech for the disabled?<br /><br />In our neighborhood, which is on a steep hillside, they built these crazy wheelchair access points on all the corners. But as everyone who's lived there knows, there's never been anyone trying to ride a wheelchair on those streets: It's impossible! They can't be navigated with them. Yet they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to re-pour these concrete curbs just because the law says they have to, or because they have this federal grant money. It's idiotic. <br /><br />Jennifer, what language would you suggest to replace "confined in a wheelchair"?Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.com