tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post5119222551577411127..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: The Wind-Up & The PitchCurtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-62819075074364625362009-05-27T17:31:50.389-07:002009-05-27T17:31:50.389-07:00It is the Rosenbach M & L
http://www.rosenbac...It is the Rosenbach M & L<br /><br />http://www.rosenbach.org/home/home.html<br /><br />It's on a residential street within walking distance of my house. I've visited it many times. As a museum it would be great if only the docents weren't constantly breathing down your neck. I prefer looking at things at my own pace.<br /><br />It serves as proof that all urban areas aren't drug infested war zones as Kirby contends.eddie watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339600880006987180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-69908910597001631872009-05-27T10:51:51.472-07:002009-05-27T10:51:51.472-07:00There's a lively MM community but they're mostly t...There's a lively MM community but they're mostly trying to conscript her for various social causes.<br /><br />There are a couple of good older books -- bonnie Costello's is good. My favorite book is the biography which is excellent, though wordy.<br /><br />She is probably just starting to gain critical steam now -- surely she's getting more attention than say Cummings, but not as much as Pound or Williams. But then her Complete Poems have only about 100 poems in it.<br /><br />And each one requires colossal knowledge, and research. She'd spend months of research on the poems. I doubt if very many of her critics have put the time into the poems that she herself put.<br /><br />Her papers are in Philadelphia at a tiny library, and are very elegantly arranged (she was trained as a librarian). Also, her actual studio is in that library/museum, kept intact as it was in NYC at the time of her death.<br /><br />The library is a pretty little thing on a tiny street near Rittenhouse Square. What is the name of it? Rorschach comes to mind -- Rosencrantz. Rosenbach, maybe. Rosenbach Museum and Library?<br /><br />I've done lots of research in there. A nice place to work.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-4955502372029256992009-05-27T08:47:23.147-07:002009-05-27T08:47:23.147-07:00well MM
what DID she advise (poets to do)?
write...well MM<br /><br />what DID she advise (poets to do)?<br /><br />write abou imaginary gardens with real frogs in them"<br /><br />check out her via Voices and Visions series...<br /><br />and the others there-in..<br /><br />in the WCW one there is AG at his rabbinical best!<br /><br />film...man, film! where the imaginary becomes the real! <br /><br /> a matter (see Shakespeare's famous "What's the matter, me Lord?"<br /><br />black and white A PLAY! <br /><br /> re-read Hamlet AND PLAY WITH THE WORDS/ make your own reality skip rope<br /><br />ans Marianne Moore and others do everytime I read/write them..<br /><br />all rankings belong in some fucking nationalized 'one true religion' military entity.. forever marching of to battle!<br /><br />all "volunteer army" crap<br /> dropping GM (Government Motors) bombs againEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-62093109611761396462009-05-27T07:53:07.100-07:002009-05-27T07:53:07.100-07:00Kirb:
I'm not into ranking, but who was it said "...Kirb:<br /><br />I'm not into ranking, but who was it said "whoever is at the top, this person belongs there too"? Which is a nice way of not comparing. <br /><br />What's most exciting about Moore is the strength and ingenuity of her language, her indelible images, her classical balance and courageous (but subtly expressed) dignity. She could have eccentric opinions, but that eccentricity was the source of much of the interest of her work. And of course she cultivated that in herself. <br /><br />What she shares with Cummings and Eliot and Pound is audacity, and great intelligence. They don't teach that in workshops--heaven forbid!--<br /><br />I've always been surprised at the scant attention paid to her work, compared to the other High Moderns. I think her big structures have more in common with Language Poetry, for instance, than what you find in Pound and Eliot and Williams. <br /><br />No one has so far thought of that, except me. <br /><br />More!Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-61213175773723292342009-05-26T12:58:51.658-07:002009-05-26T12:58:51.658-07:00Curtis, how do you rank her next to the other mode...Curtis, how do you rank her next to the other modernists? WCW, Pound, TS. of E., Cummings, etc.<br /><br />I put her on top, with WCW next, then Pound, then Eliot.<br /><br />I just can't stand Cummings. He thought hwas funny, and I guess he was when I was 15.<br /><br />I'd give Moore 4 stars, and then 3 to Williams, 2.5 to Pound, 2.25 to Eliot (the Cats bit is quite ok), and I'd give a negative 7 to cummings, who just makes me sick.<br /><br />Reznikoff is a 3.<br /><br />1 = dismiss<br />2 = not too bad<br />3 = very good<br />4 = can't stop thinking about itKirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-66775421351017678602009-05-26T07:42:42.063-07:002009-05-26T07:42:42.063-07:00"Crossword puzzles" is one way of thinking about t..."Crossword puzzles" is one way of thinking about them. They are, in one sense, highly complex designs, but those designs--applied a priori and then executed to appear "inevitable"--are not games. Every performance may have ground-rules, but the content is not pre-ordained. <br /><br />Her free verse constructions are elegant follies of rhetoric, in which the power of sentences is exploited to the hilt. Take 'England' for instance--unevenly numbered stanzas--or 'When I Buy Pictures'. These don't even look like "poems" in the usual sense. They're like someone speaking to you at tea. Elevated speech. <br /><br />I think they're marvelous.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-16177390360704271242009-05-26T07:23:45.738-07:002009-05-26T07:23:45.738-07:00Nice piece, and glad you left the yo-yos of lang-p...Nice piece, and glad you left the yo-yos of lang-po out of this one. What did she mean by this poem? With Moore, you can't just read, you have to study the poem. Her poems aren't really readable in the sense that Hemingway for instance is readable.<br /><br />Moore didn't know her own father, I think it says in the biography (the biography is the best place to start to try to understand her work because the lit-crit is mostly quite tendentious, and bent on conscripting Moore in the feminist cause -- for the most part).<br /><br />So is the Father in the poem -- God?<br /><br />And is the residence -- earth?<br /><br />In this case the line about the father isn't biographical or autobiographical at all, but is a quote from someone named Miss A.M. Homans (notes in Complete Poems, p. 276).<br /><br />And the last line about the inn is found in a biography of Edmund Burke. <br /><br />Tracking down, and then trying to sort out the quotes from the missing context of the passages, and then trying to figure out what stance she has toward the speakers can take you most of a month, even if you have nothing else to do.<br /><br />They are like very hard crossword puzzles.<br /><br />But usually there is something quite brilliant at the end that she's thinking about -- much more intellectual than Pound, I think, in that she's a conservative Republican in the line of Lincoln to W., but she's also a very hard-core Presbyterian (her brother was a naval pastor) -- "Thy father's house has many mansions" is I think the eventual phrase she's pointing towards in this one. In the silence is a lot that's being left unsaid -- there's a lot about NOT going to see the big sights -- in order to see something ELSE, that's going on. <br /><br />"Marriage" is a truly major poem. It could take you two years just to get the foundational quotes and the context sorted out. I doubt if anyone on earth has ever actually read the poem. Moore's poems are tremendous work, and work ethic has passed out of favor in reading in favor of screeching about political affiliation. It's all turned into football, with three yards of dust and some blood.<br /><br />I prefer the trickier tricks here that you indicate.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-67994562656968311932009-05-25T12:24:03.012-07:002009-05-25T12:24:03.012-07:00WOW yo-yos and elementary school yard contests..
...WOW yo-yos and elementary school yard contests..<br /><br />my best friend Bo Clinton won a black super-duper yo-yo with gold lettering on it<br /><br />in one of them contests let's see..<br /><br />Ludlow Elementary School must have been about 1952 or so..<br /><br />Jerome (Bo) was two years older than us and thus bigger an a better athelete... etc<br /><br />due to being out-of school for two terms because one morning<br />he went into his bathroom and found his father ganging from the shower head!<br /><br /><br />that sure was a beaut that Yo-Yo<br /><br />it had the "goog double string and <br /><br />wow Bo could walk-the dog then go into rock-the-cradle, then do around-the-world BEFORE having to "reload" the yo<br /><br />so it would yo again..<br /><br /><br />Betty Funk was "our" girl-best Yo-Yo er<br /><br />also she had the bigest tiddies than the other sixth grade girls and the teasing made her "tough"<br /> and the etcs<br /><br />a rep from the Yo_yo company used to come a round and do demonstrations and open his attache case and hand out new shiny yo-yos<br /><br />he used to linger afterwards over by metal jungle gym<br /><br /> with Betty<br /><br /><br />long after school was out!<br /><br />anyway....never buy a cheap yo-yo..<br /><br /> or opt for the simple<br /><br />go with (if you have the "balls" to)<br /><br />;the divergent way of thinking<br /><br />;the non-linear<br /><br />go with Moore AND Betty Funk into The Logic of Essence<br /><br /><br /><br />Hey the yo-yo s THE BEST were DUNCANsEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.com