tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post8087397180165453736..comments2024-03-19T21:14:01.007-07:00Comments on The Compass Rose: Welch's Earthboy - the Tragic Native American TropeCurtis Favillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-77485010576701378712011-02-28T16:41:43.520-08:002011-02-28T16:41:43.520-08:00I don't like too much peace. The notion of pe...I don't like too much peace. The notion of peace and plenty, with smoke signals of love and harmony, makes me a little sick. Welch came and read to us when I was at Evergreen. I felt bored. I wanted so much to like it, but preferred Patti Smith when she came.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-31503888945695096362011-02-26T12:35:07.348-08:002011-02-26T12:35:07.348-08:00Anyway Sir F--some of us, not like professional ac...Anyway Sir F--some of us, not like professional academics, learned something from your essay on Welch, and native Amer. writings. (not to say about phonies who consider the so-called "Decalogue" the Alpha and Omega of western civilization. Some good that rule book was in colonial America--Puritans seized the natives' properties, and killed and raped them at will. KO apparently never made it to Judeo-Christian Hypocrisy 101)Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-73055278778774162052011-02-25T12:01:36.854-08:002011-02-25T12:01:36.854-08:00That said, multiculturalism (including the literar...That said, multiculturalism (including the literary forms) is not immune from critique--though the biblethumpers are not usually qualified to offer that critique . Who is, Sir F ?? Not sure. A person who knows something about Plato, or Hegel, european and asian history and Darwin & Co. Hegel disapproved of the American's treatment of natives, IIRC. <br /><br /><br />Yet....I'd say America has tended to multiculturalism, from an early date. In colonial days, there were attempts at synthesis, though the Anglos usually betrayed the natives (as with handing out poisoned booze, and then killing them--related to the Pochahontas tale, etc)--though granted the natives often abducted and killed settlers. <br /><br />Jefferson was hardly perfect but had a few Rousseauean thoughts and reached out to the natives at an early date. The Emersonian group, not entirely free of hypocrisy also had an interest in native Americans, did they not. The intense dislike of natives was usually the low-church types--baptists and presbyterians. Natives fought on both sides of Civil war (comanches, and choctaws wore....grey) <br /><br /> Really Academia tends to ignore the indian wars--its not grand european/asian style warfare. But bloody business nonetheless (as with the WASP-mormon slaughter of Shoshone at Bear river, generally overlooked).Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-85524056455167846162011-02-25T09:55:57.864-08:002011-02-25T09:55:57.864-08:00The Jerry Falwell of beatnik-Co bleats--KO never q...The Jerry Falwell of beatnik-Co bleats--KO never quite got to Wordsworth 101 . Or Aquinas's teleological argument (or...the Psalmist's...firmament hymn for that matter, puto). <br /><br />Nature's.....Eeeevil, according to WASP-co. Better to keep it Screeptural, Sir F.--injun stuff, and the hicks start reachin for their Jeb Stuart featherJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-52584051710447711832011-02-25T08:42:00.835-08:002011-02-25T08:42:00.835-08:00At the same time I'm drawn to humor and humori...At the same time I'm drawn to humor and humorists, because I think there should be some sense of humor about our ability to follow laws to the letter. I think we can follow them in spirit, though.<br /><br />But I think we should also be allowed to joke about them, and to describe the lawless, and even to revel in beautiful depictions of lawlessness. The Bible does thus revel. What else is Salome? What else are the wonderful descriptions of Sodom and the stories of the weird and misbegotten in Revelations?<br /><br />I find your interest in the language poets and Grenier weirdly out of sync with your interest in nature and nature poetry and Malthus.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-74724254046391041342011-02-25T08:38:49.355-08:002011-02-25T08:38:49.355-08:00Reading through the Wikipedia article on World Vie...Reading through the Wikipedia article on World Views in America, this last one struck me as very true for some big part of you, Curtis:<br /><br />"Green Malthusianism synthesizes mystical versions of environmentalism with alarm about population growth in the tradition of the Rev. Thomas Malthus."<br /><br />I don't think it's the whole story, but the part of you that likes Snyder and wants to go hiking, is like this. You're also very Malthusian when you talk about illegal immigration.<br /><br />What journals support that worldview?<br /><br />I'm more driven by some kind of hysteria about the law. I see the law (derived from the ten commandments) as the only thing that can hold this vast and diverse population together.<br /><br />It freaks me out that more people aren't holding to the ten commandments, and trying to learn all they can about the Bible, and God.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-38923151500831783642011-02-25T07:48:58.100-08:002011-02-25T07:48:58.100-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1660090614793277371.post-38415561985368539622011-02-24T13:22:08.850-08:002011-02-24T13:22:08.850-08:00You're very drawn to the earthy naturalist typ...You're very drawn to the earthy naturalist types.Kirby Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952289700191142943noreply@blogger.com